Interview

Scholz: "Bundeskanzler zu sein, ist kein Wellness-Programm"

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Den berühmten "Doppelbock" im Hintergrund: Bundeskanzler Olaf Scholz (SPD) auf Zeche Zollverein in Essen.

Den berühmten "Doppelbock" im Hintergrund: Bundeskanzler Olaf Scholz (SPD) auf Zeche Zollverein in Essen.

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Im Exklusiv-Interview betont Olaf Scholz den Ernst der Lage und demonstriert zugleich Zuversicht. Seinen Kommunikationsstil will er nicht ändern.

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