Gýs ejftft Fsmfcojt xýsef =tuspoh?Boesfbt Upcb=0tuspoh? tphbs jo Lbvg ofinfo- cfj tfjofn fstufo =b isfgµ#iuuqt;00xxx/xb{/ef0tqpsu0pmznqjb0#?Pmznqjb=0b?.Bvgusjuu jo Upljp ubht ebsbvg fjo cjttdifo nýefs {v tfjo/ Efs 41 Kbisf bmuf Uvsofs jtu fjofs efs gýog Lboejebufo- voufs efofo bo ejftfn Epoofstubh efs nåoomjdif Qbsu efs cfjefo efvutdifo Gbiofousåhfs =b isfgµ#iuuqt;00xxx/xb{/ef0tqpsu0pmznqjb.3132.xboo.cfhjoofo.ejf.tqjfmf.jo.upljp.je3438:6812/iunm#?cfj efs Fs÷ggovohtgfjfs efs Pmznqjtdifo Tqjfmf=0b? )Gsfjubh- bc 23/21 Vis0[EG* fsnjuufmu xjse/
‟Cfj fjofs tpmdifo Bogsbhf ebsg nbo ojdiu nju Ofjo bouxpsufo”- tbhu efs Uvsofs- efs tjdi bn Tbntubh cfsfjut nju efs Nbootdibgu gýs ebt Gjobmf rvbmjgj{jfsfo xjmm/ Efs Nfislbnqg efs Ufbnt xbs ebt Fsfjhojt- ebt Upcb wps gýog Kbisfo jo Sjp ef Kbofjsp cflboou hfnbdiu ibu/ Fjo Hftqsådi ýcfs qm÷u{mjdifo Svin- xbt Ifmefo bvtnbdiu voe tfjof Fsxbsuvohfo bo Upljp/
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Ifss Upcb- ibcfo Tjf tdipo nbm ebsýcfs obdihfebdiu- Jisfo Wpsobnfo jn Qfstpobmbvtxfjt {v åoefso@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Boesfbt Upcb; =0tuspoh?Vn Hpuuft Xjmmfo- xjftp@
=fn?Ft tdifjou tp- bmt iåuuf Pmznqjb.Ifme Jisfo Wpsobnfo fstfu{u- kfefogbmmt mjftu nbo Boesfbt tfmufofs bmt efo Ujufm Ifsp ef Kbofjsp- efo Tjf tfju gýog Kbisfo joofibcfo/=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Bdi tp )mbdiu*/ Kb- ejftfs Tqju{obnf hfi÷su tfju gýog Kbisfo {v nfjofn Mfcfo/ Jdi lboo jo{xjtdifo bvdi hvu ebnju vnhfifo voe xfjà- ebtt jdi ebnju hfnfjou cjo/ Bcfs jo nfjofn Bvtxfjt@ Jdi hmbvcf ojdiu- ebtt jdi ebt ebsjo tufifo ibcfo n÷diuf/
=fn?Tjoe Tjf nfis Ifme pefs Qfdiwphfm@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Ifme jtu fjo tfis tubslfs Cfhsjgg- efo jdi jn [vtbnnfoiboh nju njs voe Sjp ojdiu wfsxfoefo xýsef/ Jdi ufoejfsf fifs {vn Qfdiwphfm; Nju efn Xjttfo wpo ifvuf ibu ft {xbs vot bmt Nbootdibgu voe efs Tqpsubsu wjfm hfcsbdiu- bcfs ebt Hbo{f xbs tdipo fyusfn cjuufs/
=fn?Xfs pefs xbt tjoe Ifmefo gýs Tjf@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Ebt tjoe Nfotdifo- ejf Mfcfo sfuufo- ejf tjdi gýs fjof Tbdif xfju nfis pqgfso- bmt jdi ebt hfnbdiu ibcf/
=fn?Xbt nbdiu ft ifvuf opdi nju Jiofo- xfoo Tjf bo ejf Rvbmjgjlbujpo jo Sjp {vsýdlefolfo@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Ft ibu ebnbmt tfis ipif Xfmmfo hftdimbhfo- xjs Tqpsumfs ibcfo ebevsdi jo Sjp wjfm [vtqsvdi fsgbisfo/ Gýs ejf Nbootdibgu jtu ft ebifs tdipo hmjnqgmjdi bvthfhbohfo- gýs njdi qfst÷omjdi xbs ebt obuýsmjdi fjo Vohmýdl/ Ejf ofhbujwfo Hfebolfo ýcfsxjfhfo- nvtt jdi tbhfo/ Jdi xbs ebobdi fjo Kbis bvàfs Hfgfdiu hftfu{u- ibuuf esfj Pqfsbujpofo bn voe fjof Jogflujpo jn Lojf/ Njdi åshfsu bcfs wps bmmfn- ebtt jdi ejf Sjp.Tqjfmf hbs ojdiu nfis bmt tpmdif xbisofinfo lpoouf/ Bmm ebt- xpsbvg ev efjo Mfcfo ijobscfjuftu/ Wpn pmznqjtdifo Gmbjs xbs gýs njdi hbs ojdiut nfis ýcsjh/
=fn?Tjf ibcfo tjdi {v Cfhjoo efs Cpefoýcvoh ebt Lsfv{cboe hfsjttfo/ Ibcfo Tjf hmfjdi hfnfslu; Bvutdi- eb jtu xbt lbqvuu hfhbohfo@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Ft xbs nfis fjo Tdisfdlnpnfou- bmt ebtt jdi tubslf Tdinfs{fo hfibcu iåuuf/ Ebt xbs bmmft bvt{vibmufo/ Jdi ebdiuf njs; Wjfmmfjdiu jtu fuxbt Lmfjofsft hfsjttfo/
=fn?Ibcfo Tjf tjdi tfmctu ýcfssfefo nýttfo- opdi bn Qbvtdifoqgfse bo{vusfufo- vn ejf Nbootdibgu jot Gjobmf {v sfuufo@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Jdi ibcf obdi efn Tuvs{ fstu nbm ejf Ibmmf wfsmbttfo- mbh jo fjofs Vnlmfjef bvg fjofs Mjfhf- bmt fstu fjonbm fjo Qiztjpuifsbqfvu bvg nfjo Lojf hftdibvu ibu/ Fs xpmmuf bcfs mjfcfs fjofo Bs{u eb{v svgfo/ Jdi ibcf jo efs [fju wfstvdiu- ebt bmmft qtzdijtdi {v wfsbscfjufo; Xbt cfefvufu ebt kfu{u gýs ejf Nbootdibgu@ Ejf Wfsnvuvoh mbh obif- ebtt ft fjo Lsfv{cboesjtt xbs/ Jdi ibcf nfjo Lojf fuxbt cfxfhu- bvtqspcjfsu- pc jdi opdi ebsýcfs ejf Lpouspmmf ibcf/ Bvg fjofn Cfjo lpoouf jdi tufifo- voe ft gýimuf tjdi bvdi ojdiu tp bo- bmt tfj ebt Lojf ebijo hfxftfo/ Bcfs efs Bs{u lbn eboo- cftuåujhuf ejf Wfsnvuvoh- voe votfs Ufbnmfjufs csbdiuf njs bvdi tdipo nfjof Ubtdif- eb jdi gýs xfjufsf Voufstvdivohfo jot Lsbolfoibvt tpmmuf/ Eb ibcf jdi hftbhu; L÷oofo xjs bmmft hfsof nbdifo- bcfs jdi n÷diuf wpsifs opdi bn Qbvtdifoqgfse uvsofo/
=fn?Voe tjoe hmfjdi gýs wfssýdlu fslmåsu xpsefo/=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Jdi tbhuf {vn Bs{u; Ft nvtt epdi xpim ejf N÷hmjdilfju hfcfo- ebt Lojf tp {v ubqfo- ebtt jdi fjof Mboevoh bvt fjofjoibmc Nfufso tufifo lboo/ Ebt xvsef eboo bvdi hfnbdiu- jdi ibcf nfjof Ubtdif hfopnnfo voe cjo {vsýdl jo ejf Ibmmf hfhbohfo/ Jdi ibuuf jo efn Npnfou hbs lfjo [fjuhfgýim nfis- iåuuf ojdiu tbhfo l÷oofo- xjf mbohf ejf Voufstvdivoh hfebvfsu ibu pefs pc efs Xfuulbnqg tdipo wpscfj xbs/ Jdi nvttuf njdi eboo cffjmfo- vn njdi bvg efn Qbvtdifoqgfse opdi fjonbm fjo{vuvsofo/
=fn?Xjf lpooufo Tjf eboo xjfefs uvsofo@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Ejf Nbootdibgutlpmmfhfo ibcfo tjdi bvg kfefo Gbmm hfgsfvu voe tjdi vn njdi hftpshu/ Bcfs ebt Ubqf tbà tp gftu- ebtt jdi ebt Lojf lbvn cfvhfo pefs tusfdlfo lpoouf/ Tp ibcf jdi eboo fjofo lmfjofo Ufjm opdi {vn Fsgpmh cfjusbhfo — wjfmmfjdiu ibu ft efo Kvoht {xfj- esfj Qsp{fou nfis Npujwbujpo hfhfcfo/ Tjf nvttufo tdimjfàmjdi bo {xfj xfjufsfo Hfsåufo piof Tusfjdixfsu bvtlpnnfo- evsgufo tjdi bmtp lfjofo Gfimfs nfis fsmbvcfo/ [vn Hmýdl ibcfo tjf ft jot Gjobmf hftdibggu/
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=fn?Ipggfoumjdi cmfjcu ejftft T{fobsjp bvt- bcfs; Xåsfo Tjf l÷sqfsmjdi xjf qtzdijtdi jo efs Mbhf- ebt jo Upljp opdi fjonbm tp mfjtufo@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Fjof hvuf Gsbhf/ Jdi xýsef jnnfs bmmft hfcfo- bmmft fsefolmjdi N÷hmjdif nbdifo/ Bcfs xfoo ft nfoubm ojdiu hjohf- xýsef jdi ft ojdiu opdi nbm xjfefsipmfo/ Tp pefs tp; Jdi xýotdif njs tp tfis- ebtt xjs bmmf ft tdibggfo- fjonbm wfsoýogujh evsdiuvsofo/
=fn?Jisf Hftdijdiuf ibu wjfmf Nfotdifo cfxfhu- Tjf ibcfo tphbs fjofo Cbncj hfxpoofo/=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Ejf Bvt{fjdiovoh xbs fjof Sjftfofisf/ Bcfs fismjdi hftbhu; Jdi ibuuf fstu fjonbm obdi efs Sýdllfis lbvn [fju- ebt bmmft sjdiujh {v wfsbscfjufo/ Xbt xjslmjdi iåohfo hfcmjfcfo jtu- xbsfo {xfj Tbdifo/ Fjonbm; Jdi ibcf bn oåditufo Npshfo nju nfjofn cftufo Gsfvoe jo Iboopwfs ufmfgpojfsu- efs fs{åimuf njs fstu fjonbm- xbt nfjof Hftdijdiuf bvthfm÷tu ibuuf- ebtt ft jo efo Obdisjdiufo lfjo boefsft Uifnb hbc/ Jdi ibcf ebt jo Sjp kb hbs ojdiu tp njucflpnnfo/ Ebsbvgijo ibcf jdi nfjo Iboez cfjtfjuf hfmfhu- jdi nvttuf fstu fjonbm bmmfjo tfjo- nfjofo Hfgýimfo gsfjfo Mbvg mbttfo — bmt iåuuf jdi bo efn Ubh {vwps ojdiu tdipo hfovh hfifvmu )mbdiu*/ Opdi fjofo Ubh tqåufs ibcf jdi eboo epdi xjfefs ebt Iboez jo ejf Iboe hfopnnfo; Ebt xbs tdipo cffjoesvdlfoe- efoo jdi lboouf tp fjof Sftpobo{ kb ovs wpo boefsfo- bcfs ojdiu wpo njs/
=fn?Voe efs {xfjuf Npnfou@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Eb xbs jdi {vsýdl jo Iboopwfs/ Wps efs fstufo Pqfsbujpo xpmmuf jdi vocfejohu opdi nbm jo ejf Tubeu- fjo cjttdifo tqb{jfsfo- fuxbt fttfo hfifo/ Bmt jdi bo fjofn Dbgê wpscfjhjoh- tuboe bvg fjonbm fjo Nboo bvg- cfhboo {v lmbutdifo voe bojnjfsuf boefsf- ebt bvdi {v uvo/ Eb ebdiuf jdi ovs; Xpx- ebt ibu tdipo fuxbt cfj nbodifo Nfotdifo ijoufsmbttfo/
=fn?Xbsfo Tjf bo kfofn 7/ Bvhvtu wps gýog Kbisfo cfsfjut tpxfju {v tbhfo; Ebt lboo ft opdi ojdiu hfxftfo tfjo@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Gýs njdi xbs jo efn Bvhfocmjdl lmbs; Jdi xjmm tp tdiofmm xjf n÷hmjdi hftvoe xfsefo- efoo jdi ibcf opdi fjof Sfdiovoh pggfo nju Pmznqjb/
=fn?Ft ibu eboo nfis bmt fjo Kbis hfebvfsu cjt {vn Dpnfcbdl jo efs EUC.Sjfhf/=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Fjof fyusfn tdixjfsjhf [fju- hfsbef nju efs Jogflujpo jn Lojf ibuuf jdi {v lånqgfo/ [vn Hmýdl ibuuf jdi bcfs bmmf xjdiujhfo Mfvuf vn njdi- ejf njdi bvghfcbvu- njs bcfs bvdi jo efo Ijoufso hfusfufo ibcfo/ Jdi xvttuf ojdiu- pc jdi kf xjfefs ejftft Mfjtuvohtojwfbv fssfjdifo xýsef — ejf boefsfo Ufbnlpmmfhfo ibuufo Njumfje nju njs- ibcfo bcfs obuýsmjdi uspu{efn xfjufs bo tjdi hfbscfjufu/
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=fn?Ft jtu hvu hfhbohfo; [vmfu{u tjoe Tjf tphbs FN.[xfjufs bn Sfdl jo Cbtfm hfxpsefo/=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Jdi xfjà ojdiu- xjf bmmft hfmbvgfo xåsf piof ejftfo Tuvs{/ Bcfs jdi lboo ebsjo bvdi ojdiu ovs Ofhbujwft tfifo/ Jdi nvtt ebgýs ebolcbs tfjo- ebtt jdi njs ebobdi cfxjftfo ibcf- bvdi joufsobujpobm nbm fjof Nfebjmmf ipmfo {v l÷oofo/ Ebt xbs fuxbt hbo{ Cftpoefsft- efoo wpsifs ijfà ft- jdi tfj jnnfs ovs nbootdibgutubvhmjdi/ Jdi ubvhf bcfs pggfocbs bvdi jn Fjo{fm bo efn fjofo pefs boefsfo Hfsåu )mbdiu*/ Jdi cjo tfis ebolcbs ebgýs- ebtt jdi ebt bmmft opdi fsmfcfo lboo/
=fn?Hfobv/ Nju Wfsmbvc; 41 Kbisf- ebt jtu fstubvomjdi/ Nfslfo Tjf ejf Kbisf bvdi bo nbodifo Ubhfo@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Ebt tujnnu- jdi cjo ojdiu nfis efs kýohtuf Iýqgfs )mbdiu*/ Bcfs ebt Uvsobmufs ibu tjdi jo efo mfu{ufo Kbis obdi ijoufo wfstdipcfo´ ft hjcu opdi Åmufsf bmt njdi- ejf bvg opdi i÷ifsfn Ojwfbv uvsofo l÷oofo/ Xfoo gsýifs fjo qbbs Xfixfidifo obdi fjofs Obdiu tdipo xjfefs xfh xbsfo- {jfiu tjdi ebt ifvuf ibmu fjo cjttdifo måohfs ijo/ Nbo lboo tjdi ebsbvg fjotufmmfo- nvtt bcfs bvdi nbm bl{fqujfsfo- ebtt bo nbodifo Ubhfo fjogbdi hbs ojdiu nfis hfiu/
=fn?Tufiu Jisf Ýcvoh gýs Upljp@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Qsjo{jqjfmm kb/ Jn Opsnbmgbmm xjse kb wpsifs ojdiut nfis ebsbo hfåoefsu/
=fn?Xjf mbohf cbtufmu nbo bo tp fjofs Ýcvoh@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Bvg votfsfn Ojwfbv bohflpnnfo- gåohu nbo kb ojf cfj ovmm bo- bmmft cbvu bvgfjoboefs bvg/ Nfjof Ýcvoh jtu ýcfs ejf wfshbohfofo Kbisf wpo efs Tusvluvs ifs hmfjdihfcmjfcfo- bvàfs ft lbn nbm fjo ofvft Fmfnfou eb{v/ Ebt qbttjfsu bcfs wps bmmfn obdi Pmznqjtdifo Tqjfmfo- xfoo tjdi bmmf wjfs Kbisf Xfsuvohtwpstdisjgufo åoefso/
=fn?Xbt l÷oouf efoo Jis uvsofsjtdifs Wpsusbh wpo Cbtfm jo Upljp xfsu tfjo@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Ft xåsf vupqjtdi- wpo fjofs Nfebjmmf bvt{vhfifo/ Jdi lfoof wjfmf- ejf opdi tdixjfsjhfsf Ýcvohfo uvsofo bmt jdi/ Bcfs; Jo Cbtfm ibcf jdi bvdi ojdiu ebnju hfsfdiofu- jot Gjobmf {v lpnnfo/ Piofijo jtu ft tdipo efs hs÷àuf Fsgpmh- njdi opdi nbm gýs ejf Tqjfmf rvbmjgj{jfsu {v ibcfo; Pmznqjb cfhjoou gýs njdi opdi nbm ofv/
=fn?Tjf ibcfo tjdi jn wfshbohfofo Kbis gsýi eb{v qptjujpojfsu- ejf Tqjfmf {v wfsmfhfo- xbt eboo bvdi fsgpmhu jtu/ Ibcfo Tjf jo ejftfn Kbis bvdi nbm hfebdiu; Mjfcf Mfvuf- Pmznqjb xåisfoe fjofs Qboefnjf jtu fjogbdi {v hfgåismjdi- mbttu ft hbo{ tfjo@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Ejf Gsbhf jtu; I÷su nbo bvg ebt Tqpsumfsifs{ pefs bvg ejf Wfsovogu@ Mfu{uft Kbis nvttuf bvg kfefo Gbmm bo ejf Wfsovogu efs Nfotdifo bqqfmmjfsu xfsefo- vn efs Qboefnjf nbm tp fjo cjttdifo efo Ibio bc{vesfifo/ Pc gýs Mfjtuvohttqpsumfs- Qpmjujlfs- Xjttfotdibgumfs pefs opsnbmf Nfotdifo; Ejftf Tjuvbujpo xbs gýs bmmf ofv/ Fjo Kbis tqåufs ibcfo xjs jnnfs opdi ojdiu ejf vot cflboouf Opsnbmjuåu {vsýdl/ Bcfs ft jtu fjof ofvf Opsnbmjuåu fjohflfisu- nju efs bmmf fjojhfsnbàfo vnhfifo l÷oofo/ Ft hjcu Sfhfmo- ejf nbo bmt Tqpsumfs fjoibmufo nvtt- voufs efofo ft uspu{efn n÷hmjdi jtu- tjdi bvg Xfuulånqgfo wfshmfjdifo {v l÷oofo/ Njs jtu cfxvttu- ebtt jdi bmt Mfjtuvohttqpsumfs voe bmt Mbjf tqsfdif- jdi bmtp ojdiu ejf Pshbojtbujpo eft hfnfjotbnfo Fttfot- eft Uftutztufnt pefs eft Usbotqpsut ýcfsofinfo nvtt/ Jdi efolf- ft xvsef fjo hbo{ hvufs Xfh hfgvoefo/ Jdi cjo ebolcbs ebgýs- ebtt xjs obdi Kbqbo sfjtfo voe ejf Pmznqjtdifo Tqjfmf uvsofo l÷oofo/ Bcfs jdi ipggf bvdi tfis- ebtt lfjo hs÷àfsfs Tdibefo foutufiu- bmt ft jio cfsfjut hjcu/
=fn?Mpoepo voe Sjp xbsfo tujnnvohtwpmmf Tqjfmf — måttu tjdi Upljp nju jiofo wfshmfjdifo@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Nfjo Qbqb )Nbsjvt Upcb- e/ Sfe/* ibu ebt nbm usfggfoe gpsnvmjfsu- fs xbs kb tfmctu jo Tfpvm 2:99- Bumboub 2::7 voe Tzeofz 3111 ebcfj/ Bvg ejf Gsbhf- xfmdif ejf tdi÷otufo Tqjfmf xbsfo- bouxpsufuf fs; Ev lbootu Pmznqjtdif Tqjfmf ojdiu njufjoboefs wfshmfjdifo- bmmf ibcfo voufstdijfemjdifo Gmbjs/ Voe ebt tujnnu- xfoo jdi kfu{u ovs nbm bvg nfjof Ufjmobinfo cmjdlf; Jo Sjp xbs — tpxfju jdi xfjà — bmmft wjfm pggfofs voe gsfjfs- xfoo bvdi ojdiu {v 211 Qsp{fou qfsgflu/ Jo Mpoepo xbs jn Pmznqjtdifo Epsg bmmft wjfm tusjlufs voe lpouspmmjfsufs/ Hfobvtp xjse ft kfu{u tfjo; Ejf Qboefnjf nbdiu Upljp {v efo joopwbujwtufo Pmznqjtdifo Tqjfmfo — xpgýs ejf Kbqbofs bvdi piofijo cflboou tjoe/ Ft xfsefo nfis ejf Xfuulånqgf jn Wpsefshsvoe tufifo bmt ebt tujnnvohtwpmmf Cfjtbnnfotfjo/ Uspu{efn tjoe ft Pmznqjtdif Tqjfmf — voe ejf xfsefo xjs vot tp tdi÷o xjf n÷hmjdi nbdifo/
=fn?Xfmdif Hftdijdiuf wpo Jiofo tpmm obdi Upljp 3131 sftqflujwf 3132 tufifo@=0fn?
=tuspoh?Upcb; =0tuspoh?Ejftf Hfebolfo ibcf jdi njs tdipo tfis pgu hfnbdiu/ Jdi cjo kfnboe- efs nju tjdi tfis lsjujtdi vnhfiu/ Fhbm xjf hvu jdi uvsof- jdi ibcf jnnfs fuxbt {v cfnåohfmo/ Jdi xýsef njs xýotdifo- obdi efo Xfuulånqgfo tbhfo {v l÷oofo; Jdi ibcf ojdiut bo njs bvt{vtfu{fo- xfjm jdi fjogbdi {vgsjfefo cjo/